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Karen Hutton
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« on: August 24, 2007, 05:03:14 PM »

As far as I know, most Christian denominations teach us that there is a Satan and that we must resist evil.  From Debbie's book, 'Dark Side of the Light Chasers', I learned to embrace my Shadow...my dark side.

This was a enlightening and empowering message of controlling negative thoughts, actions rather than another entity that was trying to influence, control me.

And yet, the fundamental question is still there. How did evil come into existence in the first place?  I am not inclined to think this came from our loving God.

Your thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2007, 12:41:25 PM »

As far as I know, most Christian denominations teach us that there is a Satan and that we must resist evil.  From Debbie's book, 'Dark Side of the Light Chasers', I learned to embrace my Shadow...my dark side.

This was a enlightening and empowering message of controlling negative thoughts, actions rather than another entity that was trying to influence, control me.

And yet, the fundamental question is still there. How did evil come into existence in the first place?  I am not inclined to think this came from our loving God.

Your thoughts?
Wow rite up my alley here, cool, I always like to help out so much but hate to admit it cause everyone always floods me with all there little trobbles,LoL.
Or do I realy love it but don't want anyone to think Im being errogant,LoL.
What if everyone's idea of god is wrong and we all put together are maybe god?
What if there was no bad in our reality, what would good then be?
Here's a biggie, What if you are just makeing everything up with your mind, like a hollowdeck, nothing realy exsists, in other words, your body dies and you are whole the only thing that is real and the only thig that exsists.
How do you know for shir without any doubt that when a tree falls in the woods an no one is around to here it, that is defanately makes a noise.
Here's a clue Anyone that hasn't seen What the Bleep do We Know, Down the Rabbit Hole. If you pay attention in the movie it explains very clearly how " Energy is Aware of Itself ". Now does energy think? Well dear you an I are pure enegry, our bodies are not real as the bain believes or we could not exsist as we believe we do.
Nurvona, magic, life and exsistance is real only in our mind. You can go around an around and will not believe it because if you realy do you would not be able to experience IT. It being the illusion of life and exsistance.
I was Energy pure an simple total power all that exsisted, how bored I was, I decided that being bored was not fun and created what I call the universe, I took different little parts of myself and gave them names and let them forget that they were connected to eachother just for fun, And guess what happened?HuhHuh??
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Karen Hutton
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 04:52:45 PM »

CG,

I agree with your 'of God' message and am in the midst of the journey back to unity vs duality.  But from your perspective it sounds like a lonely path and not one with an appealing ending. 

What am I missing here?
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2007, 11:23:33 AM »

Hi Karen,

I think you've asked a very interesting question here.  How do you define evil?  Or, rather, what kinds of things/people do you find to be evil?  What is evil is also culturally mediated - things we find evil aren't so in other cultures, and some of what we accept culturally is considered evil in other places.

I have tried to reconcile the concept with myself in that evil exists only where I so judge it to be.  Even though it can be the most challenging thing I do, I try to see the God-light in every person.  For example, was Ken Lay evil for stealing all those people's pensions and leaving them penniless in their old age?  Are terrorists evil? Was what happened in New Orleans after Katrina evil?  All these things are just part of the world.  To move beyond the judgment of them, I try to see the good that comes from them, and to recognize that the people who are behind the acts/non-acts are just humans, living out their own dramas, their own stories, from their own, possible selfish motivations.  We are responsible for how we respond to these events.  Do we lobby Congress to pass laws protecting pensions?  See the pain people are in that cause them to strap bombs to themselves? Send money/volunteer time to help those in need? 

Wayne Dyer, in his book _The Power of Intention_, talks about how each person living in optimism and hope, alleviates the negativity of the people around them.  Given that we have such power, isn't is better used focusing on the way we can help, rather then ruminating on what's not going right?

I don't know if I've answered your question, so please respond!

Best,
Melanie
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 02:44:23 PM »

Melanie,

thanks for the reply and the reference to Dyer's book.  i have recently become very interested in his message about Taoism. 

I also like your point about evil existing only where we judge it to be.  Its never black and white, is it?  without evil can we ever know what is good?  we need the comparison to even be the judge and yet, even then, we could be wrong or its not always wholly evil. 

But where do you think if comes from in the first place?  Wouldn't we all want to have a world where evil does not exist?  Then why does it?  And MUST it?

Any thoughts?

K
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2007, 03:09:01 PM »

I've thought about this in the past.  I don't believe in the existence of Satan, and I don't believe that God created evil.  So, what that leaves me with is,

1.  'evil' is a result of a physiological imbalance in one's brain chemistry

and/or

2.  the result of FEAR of some form -- which is rooted in my belief that all things in this world stem either from love or from fear.  I we don't do something in a loving manner, then it is fear that is motivating us...fear of losing what we have, or fear of not getting what we want.  So, I can easily see greed as fear-based; abuse as fear-based; on and on.  I see that our pure self (God self) gets covered by layers of fear (via the ego/free will) and as we become more and more 'contaminated' by fear, we do more 'evil' things.

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2007, 04:32:36 PM »

Well said Annie!

thank you!
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2007, 04:39:05 PM »

Annie,

BTW, where do your current beliefs come from?  Did they evolve from other thinking?

Tx
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2007, 12:31:54 PM »

Hi Karen,

Well, really a conglomeration of a lot of different things.  I was raised without any religion or spirituality, so was basically an atheist for the first 42 years of my life.  Circumstances lead me to embark on a spiritual journey, so I did a lot of reading and a lot of discussions online at spirituality sites with other folks, and have a hybrid of beliefs that take a bit from Buddhism, New Age, Native American, energy healing, yoga, and even some 1st Century Christianity (what I would consider "pure" Christianity, based on the goodness of the teachings of Jesus before the Church added rules & regulations -- even though I am not of the belief specifically that Jesus is God).  So, in other words, I'm a spiritual mutt!
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2007, 02:42:24 PM »

Annie,
We muts out number the pure breeds...   HA HA.

I came to this earth searching, I have participated in almost every orgainized religion possible!  The last being Southern Baptist.  I love my southern baptist brothers and sisters and know  I would not be HERE at this point, without their points.  (Circle Circle)  It is exactly like the Tao says.  You have to be aware of the opposite of something to know "it" exists.

As the Toltecs say...  This is my hell, my sin, my evil.

I want to get this lifetime right because, I do not want to do this hard stuff again.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2007, 03:34:53 PM »

Wow, when I read the first post, I thought I have something to say! Then by the time I got to the last one, I thought ohh maybe not!
But then I decided I do really -
I just think it would be so much easier if things WERE "Black&White" or "Right or Wrong"!!!!!! At least for me! Maybe that comes from a control place or maybe just from a very simplistic ideal of mine - I don't know. But I know the gray is very difficult for me.
I do believe there is evil - a presence that waits for opportunities to fill voids when there is doubt, self hatred, emptiness. I think that God didn't create the evil, but that it came with free choice -
I do not believe that there is only one religion - just one God called by many names. I see too many similarities in beliefs to not believe that.
Thanks for the topic and for all the ideas to mull over!
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